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and yet we're still going to have a trillion dollars budget deficit. spending is the problem. >> the white house says in response, yes, it's true. taxes went up more than $600 billion over ten years at the end of the year but it is also true the white house put $1.5 trillion worth of spending cuts in their budget. the truth is you're both right. i mean, they have offered spending cuts. the taxes did go up. it still hasn't made enough of a dent. you still have to sit down and do something. >> right. i think we're doing our budget this year. actually we're doing it this week here in the house. our budget will balance in ten years. we're going to pass our budget. hopefully the senate will pass their budget. except their budget never comes to balance. the president's budget never comes to balance. you can't continue to spend money as far as the eye can see that you don't have. and that's what they're continuing to propose, along with higher taxes on the american people. >> but the political reality is, no budget deal can probably happen, not one that will seriously address the deficit without
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